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		<title>Fabrizio Capobianco interviewed by Linux.com</title>
		<link>http://autonomo.us/2008/12/fabrizio-capobianco-interviewed-by-linuxcom/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>bkuhn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fabrizio Capobianco of Funambol was interviewed this week on linux.com.  He talks about his work to get OSI to accept AGPLv3 and why network-service-freedom respecting software licenses are good for his business.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.funambol.com/blog/capo/">Fabrizio Capobianco</a> of <a href="http://www.funambol.com/">Funambol</a> was <a href="http://www.linux.com/feature/154696">interviewed this week on linux.com</a>.  He talks about his work to get OSI to accept AGPLv3 and why network-service-freedom respecting software licenses are good for his business.</p>
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		<title>AGPLMail: Taking steps toward Franklin Street Applications</title>
		<link>http://autonomo.us/2008/11/agplmail-taking-steps-toward-franklin-street-applications/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>bkuhn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ben Webb (aka
bjwebb) has
announced the launch of a project called AGPLMail.

bjwebb has been asking me questions on and off on IRC about starting
this project, and I am very glad to see his announcement.  He asks in his
blog post am I doing something valuable?.  My unequivocal answer is
yes!

As developers, we have to clone each [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.freedomdreams.co.uk/blog/about-2/">Ben Webb (aka
bjwebb)</a> <a
href="http://www.freedomdreams.co.uk/blog/2008/11/01/agplmail/">has
announced the launch of</a> a project called <a
href="http://freedomdreams.co.uk/wiki/AGPLMail">AGPLMail</a>.</p>

<p>bjwebb has been asking me questions on and off on IRC about starting
this project, and I am very glad to see his announcement.  He asks in his
blog post <q>am I doing something valuable?</q>.  My unequivocal answer is
<strong>yes</strong>!</p>

<p>As developers, we have to clone each application that has become a
standard in &ldquo;the Cloud&rdquo; and make sure there is a
Free-as-in-Freedom (FaiF) equivalent.  We need readers and signers of the
<a href="http://autonomo.us/2008/07/franklin-street-statement/">Franklin
Street Statement</a> to get to work writing FaiF applications that embody
its ideas.  That&#8217;s the only way we will meet and overcome the challenge of
truly distributed network services that respect user freedom and
autonomy.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s tough to always be playing catch-up, but the Free Software world
has shown that we &ldquo;get there in the end&rdquo;, and that the final
result is something that really respects the freedom of the users.  I&#8217;m
glad bjwebb is taking a stab at the FaiF Web 2.0 mail client, and I hope
others will help him make it better.</p>

<p>As a final note, I wanted to point out the admirable humility bjwebb has
shown in putting his code out there.  What he&#8217;s looking for is others to
join him on the journey and try to make the application into something
interesting.  He doesn&#8217;t purport to have the answers, but he&#8217;s certainly
asking the right questions in the best possible way for a developer
&mdash; putting some code out there under a Free license and asking his
peers to give him some feedback!</p>
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		<title>Capobianco Delivers Pro-AGPLv3 keynote at OSS 2008</title>
		<link>http://autonomo.us/2008/10/capobianco-delivers-pro-agplv3-keynote-at-oss-2008/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>bkuhn</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dirk
Riehle has an interesting summary in his blog of Fabrizio Capobianco&#8217;s
keynote at OSS 2008.  Riehle
credits Capobianco as the primary catalyst for OSI approval of the AGPLv3.
I didn&#8217;t realize we owed Capobianco our thanks for that, but I am glad he
did that work and wanted to take an opportunity to thank him for it!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href="http://www.riehle.org/2008/10/21/capobiancos-oss-2008-keynote/">Dirk
Riehle has an interesting summary in his blog</a> of <a
href="http://www.funambol.com/blog/capo/">Fabrizio Capobianco</a>&#8217;s
keynote at <a href="http://oss2008.dti.unimi.it/">OSS 2008</a>.  Riehle
credits Capobianco as the primary catalyst for OSI approval of the AGPLv3.
I didn&#8217;t realize we owed Capobianco our thanks for that, but I am glad he
did that work and wanted to take an opportunity to thank him for it!</p>
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		<title>RMS on Cloud Computing: &#8220;Stupidity&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>evan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s an interesting, brief article in the Guardian Technology section today: Cloud computing is a trap, warns GNU founder Richard Stallman. In it, Richard Stallman is quoted as saying about cloud computing:
&#8220;It&#8217;s stupidity. It&#8217;s worse than stupidity: it&#8217;s a marketing hype campaign.&#8221;
Later in the article he elucidates further:
&#8220;One reason you should not use web applications [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an interesting, brief article in the Guardian Technology section today: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman">Cloud computing is a trap, warns GNU founder Richard Stallman</a>. In it, Richard Stallman is quoted as saying about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing">cloud computing</a>:
<blockquote>&#8220;It&#8217;s stupidity. It&#8217;s worse than stupidity: it&#8217;s a marketing hype campaign.&#8221;</blockquote>
Later in the article he elucidates further:
<blockquote>&#8220;One reason you should not use web applications to do your computing is that you lose control,&#8221; he said. &#8220;It&#8217;s just as bad as using a proprietary program. Do your own computing on your own computer with your copy of a freedom-respecting program. If you use a proprietary program or somebody else&#8217;s web server, you&#8217;re defenceless. You&#8217;re putty in the hands of whoever developed that software.&#8221;</blockquote>
I don&#8217;t think it would surprise anyone that I respectfully disagree with this statement. I&#8217;m very supportive of his concern about cloud computing, and I agree that it&#8217;s something that the Free Software and Free Culture communities need to address. But in rejecting <em>all</em> network computing, I think RMS has thrown out  the baby with the bathwater. I don&#8217;t believe loss of absolute control means that you lose your autonomy completely. And I think that exchanging some control in order to participate in social, collaborative computing is ultimately enriching for individuals and for society.</p>

<p>Here&#8217;s an admittedly overstretched metaphor: I live in a house where I  control everything* &#8212; the temperature, where the furniture is placed,  how much and what kind of food is in the cupboards. I can go in any room  in the house whenever I want, and I can change whatever I want. Great.</p>

<p>I <em class="moz-txt-slash">wouldn&#8217;t</em> want to spend any time in jail. In jail, I have very, very  limited freedom, and there are hostile fellow inmates and in some jails  interrogations and beatings. It is a really bad place to spend any  amount of time.</p>

<p>But I <em class="moz-txt-slash">do</em> like to go visit my friends&#8217; and family members&#8217; houses. I  don&#8217;t have absolute freedom to do whatever I want at their house, but I  get to spend time with people I like, enjoy their hospitality, and also  see the way other people live for a little while. By having an informal  custom of hospitality interchange, I and my friends and social network  get to enjoy more of the world than we would just in our own houses.</p>

<p>If friends&#8217; houses were more like jail, I wouldn&#8217;t want to go. If a  friend told me that I couldn&#8217;t talk about politics in her house (say),  or another required everyone who visited to be strip-searched at the  door, I&#8217;d of course not visit (and hopefully would be allowed to leave).  But I usually can expect a certain level of autonomy in my person and in  my effects that is acceptable and comfortable.</p>

<p>Going places I don&#8217;t individually control &#8212; restaurants, museums,  retail stores, public parks &#8212; enriches my life immeasurably. A  definition of &#8220;freedom&#8221; where I couldn&#8217;t leave my own house because it was the only space I had absolute control over would not  feel very free to me at all. At the same time, I think there are some  places I just don&#8217;t want to go &#8212; my freedom and physical well-being  wouldn&#8217;t be protected or respected there.</p>

<p>Similarly, I think that using network services makes my computing life fuller  and more satisfying. I can do more things and be a more effective person  by spring-boarding off the software on other peoples&#8217; computers than  just with my own. I may not control your email server, but I enjoy  sending you email, and I think it makes both of our lives better.</p>

<p>And I think that just as we can define a level of personal autonomy that  we expect in places that belong to other people or groups, we should be  able to define a level of autonomy that we can expect when using  software on other people&#8217;s computers. Can we make working on network services more like visiting a friends&#8217; house than like being locked in a jail?</p>

<p>We&#8217;ve made a balance between the absolute don&#8217;t-use-other-people&#8217;s-computers argument and the maybe-it&#8217;s-OK-sometimes argument in the <a href="http://autonomo.us/2008/07/franklin-street-statement/">Franklin Street Statement</a>. Time will tell whether we can craft a culture around Free Network Services that is respectful of users&#8217; autonomy, such that we can use other computers with some measure of confidence.</p>

<ul>
<li>For hypothetical purposes. My wife and daughter would probably dispute  this claim.</li>
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		<title>&#8217;services&#8217; doesn&#8217;t just mean http</title>
		<link>http://autonomo.us/2008/09/services-doesnt-just-mean-http/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Careful readers of the Franklin Street Statement will have noticed that it doesn&#8217;t ever use the word &#8216;web.&#8217; That was very deliberate. While web services are pretty important to all our lives at this point, and web services like facebook and twitter have provided plenty of fodder for discussion of autonomous services, there are lots [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful readers of the <a href="http://autonomo.us/2008/07/franklin-street-statement/">Franklin Street Statement </a>will have noticed that it doesn&#8217;t ever use the word &#8216;web.&#8217; That was very deliberate. While web services are pretty important to all our lives at this point, and web services like facebook and twitter have provided plenty of fodder for discussion of autonomous services, there are lots of non-web services that are pretty important. These range from very obvious ones (like email) to less obvious ones- like, say, virtual worlds like Second Life.</p>

<p>There has been some progress in virtual worlds, particularly with efforts like <a href="http://opencroquet.org/">opencroquet</a>, but more could still be done. Azdel Slade has written some worthwhile and interesting posts about the problem <a href="http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/01/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-1/">here</a>, <a href="http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/08/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-2/">here</a>, and <a href="http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/15/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-3/">here</a>- worth a read!</p>
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		<title>Vote for autonomo.us at SxSW 09</title>
		<link>http://autonomo.us/2008/08/vote-for-autonomous-at-sxsw-09/</link>
		<comments>http://autonomo.us/2008/08/vote-for-autonomous-at-sxsw-09/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>evan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve proposed a panel discussion on issues of Autonomy in the Cloud for the upcoming South by Southwest Interactive in March 2009.

I think that SxSW is a potentially very friendly crowd where network services and cloud computing are a hot topic and Free and Open Source software are favourably considered. It&#8217;s a great place for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve proposed a panel discussion on issues of <a href="http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/ideas/view/2053">Autonomy in the Cloud</a> for the upcoming <a href="http://www.sxsw.com/interactive/">South by Southwest Interactive</a> in March 2009.</p>

<p>I think that SxSW is a potentially very friendly crowd where network services and cloud computing are a hot topic and Free and Open Source software are favourably considered. It&#8217;s a great place for us to be challenging the conventional wisdom that freedom and autonomy aren&#8217;t important &#8220;in the cloud&#8221;.</p>

<p>Ideally the panel would comprise members of the autonomo.us group, other people interested in autonomy and software-as-a-service, and maybe some dissenters to make the whole thing interesting.</p>

<p>If you&#8217;re interested in user autonomy, the <a href="http://autonomo.us/2008/07/franklin-street-statement/">Franklin Street Statement</a>, and Open Software Services, please take a few moments to register for the <a href="http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/">Panelpicker</a> and vote for the above panel. Tell your friends, colleagues, and neighbors, vote early, vote often! Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Magnolia M2: Free and Open Source Social Bookmarking</title>
		<link>http://autonomo.us/2008/08/magnolia-m2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>evan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s interesting to see that fairly popular social bookmarking site Magnolia has announced their plan to make the next version of their software Free and Open Source Software. Magnolia&#8217;s had an &#8220;open&#8221; strategy for a while, with support of OpenID for authentication, xFolk for bookmarks HTML, and other open-ish things that give them an edge [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see that fairly popular social bookmarking site <a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/">Magnolia</a> has announced their plan to make the next version of their software Free and Open Source Software. Magnolia&#8217;s had an &#8220;open&#8221; strategy for a while, with support of <a href="http://openid.net/">OpenID</a> for authentication, <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/xfolk">xFolk</a> for bookmarks HTML, and other open-ish things that give them an edge in the early adopter community.</p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_bookmarking">Social bookmarking</a> is a pretty crowded field on the Web, with <a href="http://delicious.com/">delicious.com</a> (formerly del.icio.us) taking the greatest amount of mindshare, although I have no idea if they&#8217;re still holding the majority of the market. The increased use of bookmarking tool aggregators like <a href="http://sharethis.com/">ShareThis</a> show that the gaggle of bookmarking sites is a little confusing for everyone. In this kind of market, taking the Free Network Service road is a great chance to differentiate.</p>

<p>I hope that the plan to make their &#8220;next version&#8221;, dubbed &#8220;M2&#8243;, Free Software doesn&#8217;t devolve into <em>never</em> making the software Free and Open Source. I also hope they review carefully the <a href="http://opendefinition.org/ossd">Open Software Service Definition</a> and consider making ma.gnolia.com an OSSD-compliant site. Ma.gnolia.com already allows users to apply a <a href="http://creativecommons.org/">Creative Commons</a> license to their bookmark stream, although they default to the <a href="http://creativecommons.org/license/by-nc-sa/3.0/">Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike</a> which doesn&#8217;t meet the <a href="http://freedomdefined.org/Definition">Free Cultural Works Definition</a>. I think they should consider long and hard how to make all data (except data the user marks as private) Open Culture.</p>

<p>What I find most heartening is the M2 <a href="http://ma.gnolia.org/docs/M2_Charter.pdf">project charter</a> (PDF, 190KB), which shows they&#8217;ve really thought through the distributed nature of the software. As I mentioned with <a href="http://identi.ca/">identi.ca</a>, making a social networking site&#8217;s software Open Source is an empty gesture if people on different servers can&#8217;t connect socially. It looks like M2 will have ways to aggregate various M2 instances together, and even aggregate the aggregators.</p>

<p>Good luck to Ma.gnolia.com on this project. I hope they can rally a community around it, reach out to other Open Source bookmarking projects to implement a common distributed protocol, and generally just rock out. A Free Network Service for social bookmarking would be an excellent addition to an <a href="http://autonomo.us/2008/07/an-open-software-services-ecology/">open software services ecology</a>.</p>
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		<title>Interview with Steve Ivy of the DiSo Project</title>
		<link>http://autonomo.us/2008/08/interview-with-steve-ivy-of-the-diso-project/</link>
		<comments>http://autonomo.us/2008/08/interview-with-steve-ivy-of-the-diso-project/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>evan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The announcement of the DiSo Project in December of 2007 was a great encouragement for people on the Web who are worried about identity silos, &#8220;walled gardens&#8221;, and user lock-in on social networking platforms. Since so many of these subjects are closely related to user autonomy, I did an interview with Steve Ivy about the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The <a href="http://redmonk.net/archives/2007/12/05/diso/">announcement</a> of the <a href="http://diso-project.org/">DiSo Project</a> in December of 2007 was a great encouragement for people on the Web who are worried about identity silos, &#8220;walled gardens&#8221;, and user lock-in on social networking platforms. Since so many of these subjects are closely related to user autonomy, I did an interview with <a href="http://redmonk.net/">Steve Ivy</a> about the origins and goals of DiSo, current progress, and where he things things are going in the future.</em></p>

<p><span id="more-17"></span>
<h3>When you talk about &#8220;social software&#8221;, what do you mean?</h3>
Man, &#8220;social&#8221; is such a loaded word these days, with phrases like &#8220;social graph&#8221;, &#8220;social networking&#8221;, and &#8220;social media&#8221; floating around. In the abstract, social software lets some group of users with
something in common interact with each other. Abstract, and fairly useless since it basically describes The Internet. Coming down a few thousand feet, I&#8217;d say that social software provides a platform for
people to share about their own lives, and participate in the lives of others. Bringing it down to the ground, take Facebook: Facebook has become kind of the &#8220;canonical&#8221; social platform in that explaining
social software usually comes down to &#8220;kinda like Facebook&#8221;. Or MySpace. People (I&#8217;m trying to avoid the soul-denying term &#8220;Users&#8221;) on Facebook can share a variety of interactions from their on- and
off-line lives with each other. Those interactions can be simple, like a status update &#8220;going to the dentist. yuck!&#8221;, or complex, like documenting an upcoming event and inviting one&#8217;s friends (real or
imagined!), and seeing who has accepted the invitation.</p>

<p>Perhaps the crux of it is &#8211; social software alows people to interact with each other online in ways similar to their Real World interactions &#8211; with just a bit more wiring involved.
<h3>What&#8217;s the problem with social software that you&#8217;re trying to solve?</h3>
Most of the well-known or well-understood social sites (Facebook, MySpace, Hi5, Orkut, etc) are sort of like country clubs &#8211; they confer all kinds of benefits on members, but non-members can&#8217;t play. I don&#8217;t mean that they are exclusive (though a few are, check outasmallworld.com) but in order to enjoy all those great social interactions, you have to get your friends (in real life or online) to join the club. We call it a Silo or Walled Garden. All the interactions have to happen inside that system.</p>

<p>DiSo is a cleverly shortened form of &#8220;distributed social&#8221; &#8211; the idea that surely we can build ways for <em>any</em> site to participate in this &#8220;new&#8221; social web. The other way to look at this is one I really like:
we&#8217;re pushing control of the social data out to the edges, as <a href="http://www.oblomovka.com/">Danny O&#8217;Brien</a> likes to <a href="http://www.oblomovka.com/entries/2007/08/16#1187285520">phrase it</a>. While
total user control over this data may or may not be ultimately attainable, I think that working towards that goal is a good counterbalanace to the centralization that is prevalent in the silos.
<h3>What is the DiSo Project?</h3>
<a href="http://diso-project.org/">The DiSo Project</a> is an umbrella project for building and incubating social software components that will enable any site &#8211; focusing on small, independent sites &#8211; to be linked up into a larger social construct. We&#8217;re building on open standards and protocols, some of which exist today, like <a href="http://openid.net/">OpenID</a>, <a href="http://oauth.net/">OAuth</a>, and
<a href="http://microformats.org/">microformats</a>. Others, like <a href="http://xrds-simple.net/">XRDS-Simple</a> and the <a href="http://portablecontacts.net/">portable contacts api</a>, are in an early implementation
stage or are still being nailed down.
<h3>How is it trying to solve the problem(s) with social software?</h3>
Over time, we&#8217;ve distilled the problem area (from a technical perspective) down to <a href="http://diso-project.org/wiki/Main_Page#Components">4 or 5
domains</a>:Contacts/Friends, Profiles, Messaging, and Activities (we&#8217;ve backburnered Groups for now as &#8220;hard&#8221;). These aren&#8217;t clearcut delineations &#8211; there&#8217;s overlap, just like in real life! But for a
programmer, they&#8217;re useful. Anyway, these are the areas we&#8217;re focused on, and in each there are in-use standards that we can build on.</p>

<p>DiSo got started from some hacks I did to the <a href="http://factorycity.net/projects/wp-microformatted-blogroll/">WP Microformatted Blogroll</a> plugin for WordPress that <a href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog">Chris Messina</a> (DiSo co-founder and Agent Provocateur) had written nearly a year before. I was reading about some work that the DIG (Distributed Information Group) had done with FOAF (Friend Of A Friend) and OpenId to create what we&#8217;d today call a social whitelist &#8211; I looked at that and thought I could do something similar with XFN (XHTML Friends Network) and OpenID. So I downloaded Chris&#8217;s plugin (GPL&#8217;d yay) and got to hacking. That work got rewritten a couple times, and now lives (I think!) in the wp-contacts-list plugin in the DiSo repository.</p>

<p>So, for contacts the foundation was XFN. Core to these interactions is Identity &#8211; for that we build on OpenId. In looking at Profiles, we have the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard">hCard</a> microformat, a convenient format that&#8217;s both human- and machine-readable. Messaging is trickier &#8211; regardless of implementation, there&#8217;s a real-time expectation from users there that we need to address. There&#8217;s a lot of interest in eXtensible Message Passing Protocol (XMPP) (the protocol used in Jabber chat and Google&#8217;s gTalk, <a href="http://atompub.org/">AtomPub</a>, and a few others, including <a href="http://laconi.ca/">Laconica</a> (<em>cue subtle suck-up to interviewer</em>).
<h3>Tell us about yourself. Who are you? What&#8217;s your background? What&#8217;s your principal role at DiSo?</h3>
I&#8217;ve been designing, building, or designing and building websites since about 1996. I got my start in print design but was already dabbling in multimedia in school, between 1992 and 1996, so the
transition to the web was natural for me. I pursued graphic design because of my affinity for the ruler during high-school art classes, and I suppose programming is just a whole new level of control! but
there&#8217;s creativity in software too, and once I discovered it I was hooked.</p>

<p>My earliest experience with the internet and the web up close was a the linux web/mail server I watched our ISP guy build for the agency I was working with at the time, around 1997. This idea that anyone could download this entire operating system, with programs, for free and install it on  commodity hardware was completely new for me, and  Free Software was indelibly linked to the Web in my mind from that day. Now, this is coming from a die-hard Macintosh user, but my first web
programming was in perl and msql, and I&#8217;ve always advocated for Free technologies where it seemed to make any sense.</p>

<p>Roll forward a few years, and I got interested in standards-based development in general, and involved in the microformats community in particular; it was my first experience with community-driven standards. The DiSo community is sort of modeled on the microformats community &#8211; it&#8217;s very adhoc. Chris and I are the co-founders, list moms, wiki gardeners, and askers-of-questions, and there are a few prolific coders who are investing time and energy in producing some complex bits of code. I&#8217;ve done my share of coding, but the day job means I don&#8217;t get as much time as I&#8217;d like. My most recent
contributions are an XRDS-Simple plugin for Movable Type, and a fairly complex and (if I may deign to say, cool) Friends plugin for <a href="http://movabletype.org/">Movable Type</a>. The Friends plugin lets you manage a Friends/Contacts list on your own site, will display a blogroll for your site, and uses the Google social graph api to provide some powerful discovery, import, and merging of contacts from other social networking sites.
<h3>How many people are working on the project right now? What are they doing?</h3>
Chris and I perform community service (that sounds like a bad thing) on a regular basis, I&#8217;m finishing up the friends plugin, but the meat of the work right now is coming from <a href="http://willnorris.com/">Will Norris</a> and <a href="http://singpolyma.net/">Stephen Paul
Weber</a>. Will, of course, took over the original WordPress OpenId plugin and is working on version 3.0. He and Chris now work for <a href="http://vidoop.com/">Vidoop</a> full time on DiSo.</p>

<p>The unsung hero of DiSo though has to be Stephen Weber. Stephen&#8217;s a coding machine, and participates in a lot of the discossions on the list, championing simple approaches when some of us start wandering off into the weeds. Stephen has done the majority of work on activity
streams, <a href="http://code.google.com/p/diso/source/browse/wordpress/wp-diso-profile/?r=398">profiles</a> and <a href="http://code.google.com/p/diso/source/browse/wordpress/permissions">permissions</a> (something Stephen and I hacked on, and he fleshed out, that came out of the OpenId whitelist work early on). Recently Stephen built a very very cool <a href="http://scrape.singpolyma.net/profile/">social search
engine</a> that crawls hCards, FOAF, and XFN data via the <a href="http://code.google.com/apis/socialgraph">social graph api</a>. He&#8217;s now got over 100k
profiles indexed, including contacts for each profile. It&#8217;s simple but very powerful.</p>

<p>There are others that have worked on code for various platforms, and there&#8217;s been a ton of really good discussion on the list. I&#8217;d call out <a href="http://walkah.net/blog/walkah/diso-drupal">James Walker</a> of <a href="http://www.lullabot.com/">Lullabot</a> who wrote an <a href="http://drupal.org/project/xrds_simple">XRDS-Simple
plugin</a> for <a href="http://drupal.org/">Drupal</a>; Mark Paschal wrote the original <a href="http://plugins.movabletype.org/action-streams/">Action Streams plugin for Movable
Type</a>, of which Stephen&#8217;s action streams plugins was a straight port. Technically, either projects are part of DiSo (i.e. in the repo) but both Mark and James participate on the list and have encouraged our work.
<h3>Your first release is based on WordPress. Why did you choose it for the initial rollout?</h3>
Several reasons:
<ol>
    <li>Chris&#8217;s initial plugin was built for WordPress, and we both used WordPress for our personal sites.</li>
    <li>WordPress is really popular among hobbyists and web-savvy families, it can be hosted damn near anywhere, and it represents kind of a lowest common denominator platform.</li>
    <li>It&#8217;s got a well-ish documented plugin api that provides access to near everything in the app.</li>
</ol>
I really wanted to target the kinds of folks using WordPress: hobbyist, families, and more practically, early adopters. These would be the folks that would actually give feedback, install untested wacky
plugins, and give us grief when something was stupid. Thankfully, all of that has happened!
<h3>Where does DiSo stand in relation to open standards around identity &#8212; for example, OpenID? MicroID?</h3>
We&#8217;re huge fans of OpenId, a lot of our code either depends on it or is focused on extending the ideas. MicroID I&#8217;ve heard of but only used a couple of times, so I can&#8217;t comment with any authority, but it seems like an extremely minimal approach, so I don&#8217;t see it as something that&#8217;s going to be the foundation of a series of technologies. OpenId has the depth and breadth of implementation behind it.</p>

<p>I hope any MicroId proponents out there will correct me if I&#8217;ve misjudged.
<h3>Compare and contrast DiSo with some other open social efforts &#8212; XFN? FOAF? OpenSocial?</h3>
XFN and FOAF are enabling formats that we&#8217;ve embraced &#8211; at least, XFN in a big way, in the contacts, profiles, and permissions plugins; we do use some FOAF data, but it&#8217;s generally abstracted away by using the Google Social Graph APIs. I&#8217;m not unaware of the irony of using a centralized social graph service to enable a distributed social network, but it&#8217;s hard to avoid when crawling and parsing these large FOAF/XFN networks is so resource intensive.</p>

<p>Open Social is always on the radar, sort of over there to the left. Personally, I kind of like what Google is doing there, but it&#8217;s not what I would call distributed. It&#8217;s more like tether-ball. You can play all around the silo but you still can&#8217;t really take your ball and go home if you get your nose bloodied (to violent a metaphor?). Friend Connect (Facebook) is the same. Now, Kevin Marks is probably going to
set me straight on something I&#8217;ve got wrong about Open Social, and that&#8217;s ok. I&#8217;d like to see DiSo code talking to Open Social, but it&#8217;d be easy to get sucked into that ecosystem before we&#8217;ve got a solid one
of our own.
<h3>Are you familiar with NoseRub? AroundMe? What&#8217;s your impression? How could they use DiSo, or interoperate?</h3>
I met Dirk (Olbertz, one of the NoseRub guys) at the Social Graph Foo Camp early this year, and had some good conversations. He&#8217;s on the DiSo list and speaks up occasionally, but we&#8217;re not tracking
development between the two projects. NoseRub is a protocol for sharing social data (contacts, for example) across social networks, so it&#8217;s certainly something to watch. I could see a DiSo  mplementation in the future if it makes sense.
<h3>Are there other interesting projects you&#8217;ve got your eye on right now?</h3>
I really want to spend some time on Portable Contacts. It&#8217;s an API that Joseph Smarr from Plaxo has been shepherding (with others I&#8217;m sure), and he&#8217;s been talking to Google, Yahoo and others; it&#8217;s being put out there as an open api spec, so I&#8217;m like to play with adding support to the MT and WP contacts plugins.
<h3>What can users or developers do to help with DiSo?</h3>
Developers are easy &#8211; hit up the <a href="http://groups.google.com/groups/diso-project">list</a>, let us know your interest, and start participating. Tell us about your platform of choice, your experiences/ideas re: social software, etc. Check out the
<a href="http://diso-project.org/wiki">wiki</a> and find something interesting to work on, or propose something. It&#8217;s something of an adhocracy, so pick something and tell us how you plan on approaching it. At the same time, check out the list archives &#8211; your pet project might have been discussed in the past and there might be some gems in there to help get you started.</p>

<p>To be honest, we&#8217;re not as close to having something for users to play with as I&#8217;d like. Developers or technical users, yes &#8211; there are quite a few components you can get from the repository and install on a site to test things out. But not much I&#8217;d point my wife at yet. The upcoming MT Friends plugin for is going to be the most complete piece <em>I&#8217;ve</em> worked on so far, and I&#8217;d probably set that up for a friend or
fmaily member, but it&#8217;s hard to say &#8220;this is DiSo!&#8221;. It&#8217;s a small piece of the whole.
<h3>Where do you see DiSo in a year? 5 years?</h3>
In a year, I&#8217;d like us to be where I wanted to be a year from one year ago. <img src='http://autonomo.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  That is, I&#8217;d like for my wife to be able to use her WordPress blog app to follow her church and school friends&#8217; online social lives. When I first started explaining to <a href="http://speakshermind.redmonk.net/">Jodi</a> what we wanted to do, she got it enough to realize that it meant not having to maintain, or visit, a half-dozen profiles on as many sites just to track her friends. A year from now, I&#8217;d like to come close to meeting her expectations &#8211; at least recognizably (if not fully).
<h3>Some people have confused what autonomo.us is doing with what DiSo is doing. How would you compare the two?</h3>
I definitely think there are shared goals and philosophies. As Luis <a href="http://autonomo.us/2008/07/some-thoughts-on-what-we-are-and-what-we-arent/">posted on the blog</a>:
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">With this focus on principles, rather than code, we think we complement- rather than compete with- projects like DiSo, DataPortability, and Open Web Foundation. We&#8217;re not ivory tower types; every one of us has an extensive development background, so we all have the deepest respect for the people writing code (and specs), and no desire to get in their way.</p></p>

<p>I think the shared principles have to do with pushing Control of data, interactions, etc out to the Edges. For autonomo.us, the Edge means the desktop, and Control means Free and Open software that cannot be taken away at a corporation&#8217;s whim. For DiSo, the Edge is a web presence under the user&#8217;s control, and Control means Free and Open Services that can be replicated/federated at need. But that&#8217;s just a stab at a comparison &#8211; it&#8217;d be fun to get together sometime and talk about the parallels.
<h3>How do you think autonomo.us can help DiSo?</h3>
Join the conversation &#8211; let&#8217;s talk about where our philosophies align, and where they diverge. More and more services online are extending themselves to the desktop &#8211; look at iTunes, or Identi.ca&#8217;s xmpp
integration. That means we have to think about how desktop software is going to interact with our network services, software that isn&#8217;t a browser and may be <a href="http://iconfactory.com/software/twitterrific">commercial in nature</a>. These discussions are going to help both communities grow.
<h3>What comes next with distributed sociality on the Web, in your opinion? Where are we going?</h3>
Whew, prognostication has never been a strong suit of mine, but I&#8217;ll give it a shot. I think that something like XMPP (or <em>actually</em> XMPP) is finally going to crack the federation problems between nodes, and after that, we&#8217;ll see a leap in creativity as these different components now have a backbone to ride on. <em>That</em> I&#8217;m looking forward to.
<h3>What comes next for you personally?</h3>
That&#8217;s a good question! Continue building on what we&#8217;ve done so far in my spare time, continue evangelizing the technologies. Another thing is to keep pushing the community to reach out to other communities &#8211; we&#8217;ve had some awesome conversations with Peter St. Andre and the XMPP community and I want to see more of that.</p>
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		<title>Tim O&#8217;Reilly on Open Source and Cloud Computing</title>
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		<dc:creator>evan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was really happy to see a blog post on Open Source and Cloud Computing by Tim O&#8217;Reilly in O&#8217;Reilly Radar today. Not just because he gave a nod to my new microblogging project, Identi.ca, although that was pretty sweet. Tim argues strongly for the use of distributed, federated web services implementing open standards.



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really happy to see a blog post on <a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/07/open-source-and-cloud-computing.html">Open Source and Cloud Computing</a> by <a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/tim">Tim O&#8217;Reilly</a> in <a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/">O&#8217;Reilly Radar</a> today. Not just because he gave a nod to my new microblogging project, <a href="http://identi.ca/">Identi.ca</a>, although that was pretty sweet. Tim argues strongly for the use of distributed, federated web services implementing open standards.</p>

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<p>Some choice quotes:
<blockquote>What good are free and open source licenses, all based on the act of software distribution, when software is no longer distributed but merely performed on the global network stage?</blockquote>
This is a good point, and one I think we&#8217;ll see having more impact. The <a href="http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/agpl-3.0.html">Affero GPL</a> is one answer to this question, but Tim and I agree that that&#8217;s not the only answer:
<blockquote>&#8230; companies are beginning to understand that in the era of the cloud, open source without open data is only half the application.</blockquote>
I think Tim&#8217;s roughly in agreement with what the <a href="http://www.okfn.org/">OKF</a> has reached with the (laudable) <a href="http://www.opendefinition.org/ossd/">OSSD 1.0</a>: to be truly open, a service must run Free and Open Source Software and share Open Data.
<blockquote>if you care about open source for the cloud, <strong>build on services that are designed to be federated rather than centralized</strong>.</blockquote>
This, I think, is the third part of the equation, and truly in the spirit of the Internet. It&#8217;s <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">always</span> mostly been a place where a diversity of hosts deploying a variety of server software packages have communicated with simple, published protocols. And I think that&#8217;s what&#8217;s really necessary to preserve users&#8217; autonomy: the ability to have new deployments of software spin up with their same data and same connections to the rest of the Web. Or:
<blockquote><strong>Free Software + Free Data + Open Protocols ➔ Autonomy</strong></blockquote>
Note that I think these things are necessary conditions for producing autonomy, and not the state itself (which we haven&#8217;t really defined!). That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re calling for users, hackers, and service providers to implement in the <a href="http://autonomo.us/2008/07/franklin-street-statement/">Franklin Street Statement</a>.</p>

<p>It was brave of Tim to take this stand. Few people in the Web 2.0 biz are going to be excited about this direction for software services. Nobody wants to be told to open up, or get routed around by the FLOSS community. A lot of software companies have responded to the growth of Open Source software by moving to a software-as-a-service model, and they&#8217;re not going to like hearing that they&#8217;re going to be facing competition on that level, too.</p>

<p>To be fair, Tim takes a perspective that&#8217;s been different from ours here at autonomo.us. He argues mostly in economic terms: that &#8220;lock in&#8221; is bad for companies and limits choices. Which is true, but doesn&#8217;t really focus on freedom of choice for the individual. That said, I think it&#8217;s probably a good argument in general, and I think that a lot of companies that have based their business on a single &#8220;open&#8221; SaaS platform (<a href="http://www.scrabulous.com/"><em>cough cough</em></a>) know that this kind of lock-in is a really bad thing.</p>

<p>Mostly, I&#8217;m glad we&#8217;re seeing a diversity of people in the Free and Open Source software community expressing their concerns on this matter. I know it might be asking a lot, but I hope that Tim gives the Franklin Street Statement a once-over and considers endorsing it.</p>
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		<title>some thoughts on what we are and what we aren&#8217;t</title>
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		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In interviews, in private discussion, and in some media articles about autonomo.us, people have suggested that we&#8217;re redundant to other groups like DiSo or DataPortability, who are discussing standards and writing code. To quote webmonkey:
Rather than spending their time on grandiose statements, the DiSo Project and others like are already distributing code that just works. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In interviews, in private discussion, and in some media articles about autonomo.us, people have suggested that we&#8217;re redundant to other groups like <a href="http://code.google.com/p/diso/">DiSo</a> or <a href="http://www.dataportability.org/">DataPortability</a>, who are discussing standards and writing code. To quote <a href="http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/AutonomoDOTus_Group_Wants_to_Help_Free_Your_Data">webmonkey</a>:
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Rather than spending their time on grandiose statements, the DiSo Project and others like are already <a href="http://code.google.com/p/diso/">distributing code that just works</a>. &#8230; [T]he web moves much faster than desktop software and it remains to be seen if the principles of desktop software can guide the development of an open web.</p></p>

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<p>We&#8217;re actually in agreement with Wired here, though Wired hasn&#8217;t realized it yet <img src='http://autonomo.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  autonomo.us is very explicitly about the idea that &#8220;the principles of free/open desktop software&#8221; <em>can&#8217;t</em> guide the development of an open web. If it could, FSF and OSI would already have been on their respective warpaths about this years ago. Instead, those principles- especially where they focus on user freedom- will probably be relevant, but also almost certainly insufficient and sometimes nonsensical. If the old principles only partially work, there must be some other principles that can guide the development of an open web. I think we see our primary goal as understanding what these new principles are, so that we can work with other groups to forward them.</p>

<p>With this focus on principles, rather than code, we think we complement- rather than compete with- projects like DiSo, DataPortability, and Open Web Foundation. We&#8217;re not ivory tower types; every one of us has an extensive development background, so we all have the deepest respect for the people writing code (and specs), and no desire to get in their way. While those guys and gals charge ahead doing the hard and important work- probably stumbling in some places and hopefully succeeding brilliantly in others- we&#8217;ll be watching their successes and failures, and thinking and writing about the philosophy, the principles, and the big picture. Our hope is that this will help inform and frame the discussion, so that we can all focus on advancing software autonomy instead of reinventing philosophical wheels.</p>

<p>To put it another way- we <em>don&#8217;t</em> expect to write code (though individual members or their affiliated groups have written code and will continue to.) We <em>do</em> expect that when concerned code writers are wrestling with what their code or specs should do, we&#8217;ll be able to help answer their questions about principles and goals.</p>

<p><em>Luis is a law student at Columbia Law School; a director of the GNOME Foundation; a member of OSI’s legal advisory board; and many other hats. This post is not a formal statement of GNOME, OSI, or any other organization of which I&#8217;m a part- even autonomo.us- just a reflection of my understanding of the state of our little project here.
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