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	<title>Comments on: GitHub, Firewalls, and Freedom</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Zimmerman</title>
		<link>http://autonomo.us/2009/06/github-firewalls-and-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Zimmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Firewall install&quot; may be one of the first in a wave of cloud computing retronyms.  &quot;On site&quot; versions of popular cloud services may be a common theme as the industry reconfigures itself.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Firewall install&#8221; may be one of the first in a wave of cloud computing retronyms.  &#8220;On site&#8221; versions of popular cloud services may be a common theme as the industry reconfigures itself.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Philip Hofstetter</title>
		<link>http://autonomo.us/2009/06/github-firewalls-and-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Hofstetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another point:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We are a very small company in Switzerland and while I really like github&#039;s user centric view (as opposed to gitorious&#039; project centric) and the featureset in general, I feel really uncomfortable to upload any of our code to a server of a third party company in a foreign country I&#039;m not familiar with its legislation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(yes. we are doing proprietary software - mainly because it&#039;s closely tied into our customers ERP systems and I could not opensource that without their permission which I would never get. We do try, though, to push all our modifications to open source software we use upstream - with various levels of acceptance by these projects).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was quite excited about the prospects of having the functionality of GitHub and the security of something I control myself (assuming that their binary does not still upload the code somewhere).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Naturally, I used their form to request a quote, but I have not heard back from them since. Maybe because we are &quot;just&quot; 6 developers at this time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In my request to them I made clear that I will never be able to / comfortable with using any of their subscription models.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I never heard back from them, so I assume fear of cannibalizing their subscription model is larger than the prospect of gaining one more (admittedly) small customer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I would still have loved to at least get a reply from them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Philip&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point:</p>

<p>We are a very small company in Switzerland and while I really like github&#8217;s user centric view (as opposed to gitorious&#8217; project centric) and the featureset in general, I feel really uncomfortable to upload any of our code to a server of a third party company in a foreign country I&#8217;m not familiar with its legislation.</p>

<p>(yes. we are doing proprietary software &#8211; mainly because it&#8217;s closely tied into our customers ERP systems and I could not opensource that without their permission which I would never get. We do try, though, to push all our modifications to open source software we use upstream &#8211; with various levels of acceptance by these projects).</p>

<p>I was quite excited about the prospects of having the functionality of GitHub and the security of something I control myself (assuming that their binary does not still upload the code somewhere).</p>

<p>Naturally, I used their form to request a quote, but I have not heard back from them since. Maybe because we are &#8220;just&#8221; 6 developers at this time.</p>

<p>In my request to them I made clear that I will never be able to / comfortable with using any of their subscription models.</p>

<p>I never heard back from them, so I assume fear of cannibalizing their subscription model is larger than the prospect of gaining one more (admittedly) small customer.</p>

<p>But I would still have loved to at least get a reply from them.</p>

<p>Philip</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Mako Hill</title>
		<link>http://autonomo.us/2009/06/github-firewalls-and-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Mako Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for posting this Ciaran. I use Gitorious myself and, on reflection, should have mentioned this at least briefly in the text of the article.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this Ciaran. I use Gitorious myself and, on reflection, should have mentioned this at least briefly in the text of the article.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: CiaranG</title>
		<link>http://autonomo.us/2009/06/github-firewalls-and-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>CiaranG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are several genuinely free alternatives to GitHub, including Gitorious. It saddens me that respected people and projects that claim to support/understand free software get themselves locked in to GitHub, and inevitably drag others in with them.&lt;/p&gt;
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