Comments on: RMS on Cloud Computing: “Stupidity” http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/ Toward Free Network Services Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:07:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Collaborative Futures 2 « Mike Linksvayer http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-279 Collaborative Futures 2 « Mike Linksvayer Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:07:34 +0000 http://autonomo.us/?p=62#comment-279 <p>[...] Evan Prodromou, “RMS on Cloud Computing: “Stupidity””, CC BY-SA, http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/ [...]</p> [...] Evan Prodromou, “RMS on Cloud Computing: “Stupidity””, CC BY-SA, http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/ [...]

]]> By: Collaborative Futures 1 « Mike Linksvayer http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-276 Collaborative Futures 1 « Mike Linksvayer Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:36:57 +0000 http://autonomo.us/?p=62#comment-276 <p>[...] Other People’s Computers [...]</p> [...] Other People’s Computers [...]

]]> By: autonomo.us · cloud(s) and hype at Freedom to Tinker http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-127 autonomo.us · cloud(s) and hype at Freedom to Tinker Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:52:31 +0000 http://autonomo.us/?p=62#comment-127 <p>[...] in Evan’s footsteps, I’ve written a post on clouds and hype over at Freedom To Tinker. The nutshell is that there [...]</p> [...] in Evan’s footsteps, I’ve written a post on clouds and hype over at Freedom To Tinker. The nutshell is that there [...]

]]> By: bitsenbloc » Blog Archive » Interessant (2008.10.13) http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-123 bitsenbloc » Blog Archive » Interessant (2008.10.13) Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:53:28 +0000 http://autonomo.us/?p=62#comment-123 <p>[...] RMS on Cloud Computing: “Stupidity” :: autonomo.us - Un interessant comentari sobre les darreres declaracions de RMS sobre la informàtica en el núvol (cloud computing) [...]</p> [...] RMS on Cloud Computing: “Stupidity” :: autonomo.us – Un interessant comentari sobre les darreres declaracions de RMS sobre la informàtica en el núvol (cloud computing) [...]

]]> By: Interesting stuff from around the web 2008-10-06 « Derivadow.com http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-116 Interesting stuff from around the web 2008-10-06 « Derivadow.com Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:47:27 +0000 http://autonomo.us/?p=62#comment-116 <p>[...] Richard Stallman on Cloud Computing: “Stupidity” [autonomo.us] “I’m very supportive of [Stallman's] concern about cloud computing, and I agree that it’s something that the Free Software and Free Culture communities need to address. But in rejecting all network computing, I think RMS has thrown out the baby with the bathwater.” [...]</p> [...] Richard Stallman on Cloud Computing: “Stupidity” [autonomo.us] “I’m very supportive of [Stallman's] concern about cloud computing, and I agree that it’s something that the Free Software and Free Culture communities need to address. But in rejecting all network computing, I think RMS has thrown out the baby with the bathwater.” [...]

]]> By: Daily Digest for 2008-10-02 | Pedro Trindade http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-110 Daily Digest for 2008-10-02 | Pedro Trindade Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:03:27 +0000 http://autonomo.us/?p=62#comment-110 <p>[...] RMS on Cloud Computing: “Stupidity” :: autonomo.us [...]</p> [...] RMS on Cloud Computing: “Stupidity” :: autonomo.us [...]

]]> By: jahu http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-109 jahu Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:36:00 +0000 http://autonomo.us/?p=62#comment-109 <p>@evan: I had a private talk with RMS about the impact of moving data and computation out of your control(led hardware). Within that he distinguished well between Web Applications, Software as as Service and Cloud Computing. Because of that I assumed that the Guardian is citing RMS out of context.</p> <p>Also, if you do not want "Cloud" to be the new "2.0", than you should use a solid definition of the term cloud computing - it already is used as a meaningless buzzword by salesman. The definition must not force some kind of low-level computational resource (like CPU cycles). But it has to insist on resources available to "unmanned" computers for universal use. This includes ongoing automatic use of a service without a person seeing it - cloud computing essentially is about abstracting certain resources! I have not seen ad driven web applications able to make profit without a human <em>intentionally</em> using them.</p> <p>(btw. the examples you mentioned come close to my understanding of cloud computing, whereas gmail for example does not)</p> @evan: I had a private talk with RMS about the impact of moving data and computation out of your control(led hardware). Within that he distinguished well between Web Applications, Software as as Service and Cloud Computing. Because of that I assumed that the Guardian is citing RMS out of context.

Also, if you do not want “Cloud” to be the new “2.0″, than you should use a solid definition of the term cloud computing – it already is used as a meaningless buzzword by salesman. The definition must not force some kind of low-level computational resource (like CPU cycles). But it has to insist on resources available to “unmanned” computers for universal use. This includes ongoing automatic use of a service without a person seeing it – cloud computing essentially is about abstracting certain resources! I have not seen ad driven web applications able to make profit without a human intentionally using them.

(btw. the examples you mentioned come close to my understanding of cloud computing, whereas gmail for example does not)

]]> By: evan http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-102 evan Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:11:40 +0000 http://autonomo.us/?p=62#comment-102 <p>@aculich: thanks for the link to Nimbus! That looks like a great project.</p> @aculich: thanks for the link to Nimbus! That looks like a great project.

]]> By: evan http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-101 evan Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:09:57 +0000 http://autonomo.us/?p=62#comment-101 <p>@jahu: You and I mean different things by "cloud computing". I absolutely think of Web applications like Facebook, Google Docs, or box.net when I think of "the cloud". You seem to be thinking of a more focused definition: application hosting on proprietary platforms, like Google App Engine. Since Stallman references "web applications" in the quote above, I think he's speaking more to my definition than to yours. However, I agree that the Guardian article is too short to get a full understanding of RMS's usual well-rounded thinking on a complex matter.</p> @jahu: You and I mean different things by “cloud computing”. I absolutely think of Web applications like Facebook, Google Docs, or box.net when I think of “the cloud”. You seem to be thinking of a more focused definition: application hosting on proprietary platforms, like Google App Engine. Since Stallman references “web applications” in the quote above, I think he’s speaking more to my definition than to yours. However, I agree that the Guardian article is too short to get a full understanding of RMS’s usual well-rounded thinking on a complex matter.

]]> By: Understanding Design & Computers: Cloud Computing? http://autonomo.us/2008/09/rms-on-cloud-computing-stupidity/comment-page-1/#comment-100 Understanding Design & Computers: Cloud Computing? Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:14:04 +0000 http://autonomo.us/?p=62#comment-100 <p>[...] The Guardian recently posted an article quoting Richard Stallman on cloud computing. [...]</p> [...] The Guardian recently posted an article quoting Richard Stallman on cloud computing. [...]

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